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Josh-D. S. Davis

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The right to arm bears...
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One of my favorites is when people argue that the founders of our nation didn't intend such and such, which always happens to coincide with the desires of the arguer to impose their will on others.

I need to find some better quotes about religion, because I've heard people argue that we're free to worship God in any christian way, but any other religion isn't what the founders intended.

Until then, here's some examples of what the founders intended regarding firearms:
"With reasonable men I will reason, with humane men I will plead, with tyrants I will show no mercy." - Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in goverment." - Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson

And before people go whining that Jefferson is a bad example because of whatever personal reason, we'll throw in president #1:

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington

And to lighten (or darken) the mood, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the Marketing Division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes."

So, who's our modern day Sirius Cybernetics Corp? Napolitano?

And remember, a robot is "Your plastic pal who's fun to be with."

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The Appeal to Founding Fathers is such a huge red herring anyway.

No disrespect AT ALL to those cool guys, but it doesn't happen to matter what they intended. It matters what is right and applicable to citizens now. And taking away a citizen's right to arm him/herself in a meaningful way is wrong and an abuse of power.

Freedom is our first and foremost right. Safety third, y'all.

So long as we don't irreversibly lose rights which may be valuable. I really don't like the mentality that "what's right for 33% is right for everyone". Even what's right for 80% isn't necessarily right for everyone.

Beyond 80%, it gets tough, because you're then dealing with appeasing the extremes. But what 80%? Basketball teams aren't governed by rules to keep plumbers safe. Travelers shouldn't be governed by rules that non-travelers think are a good idea.

etc. blah. ramble.

I'd love to see TSA airport policies were voted upon such that:
* Each eligible voting citizen gets one vote.
* Each segment you flew in the last 5 years gets you an additional 5 votes.
* Each segment you flew in the last 2 years gets you an additional 10 votes.

Counting older segments would have voting value but would be difficult to come up with from a records standpoint.

On the flip side, if I were a little more wealthy, I could skip the TSA checkpoints altogether. $150/hr plus $3/mile would cover chartering a flight just about anywhere, any time. Flying myself would cost about 75 cents/mile, but I'd have to spend about $100k to be in a position to do that.

Obviously, traveling has very little to do with firearms other than feeling our government is becoming more oppressive as the years tick by.

other than feeling our government is becoming more oppressive as the years tick by.

and really in the last decade. i think there's a reason we have record numbers of firearm ownership (and, on another note, a 35 year low in violent crime).

people brush me off when i say that one of the major reasons why i own firearms is as a last defense against tyranny (that whole ballot boxes, soap boxes, ammo boxes triage). "you can't stand up against the military rolling in with tanks." me, personally, no way. but what about one hundred million of us - or around 100 citizens for every person in the military? And just look at the hell Afghanistan has caused our troops with as few insurgents as they have. No, I think it's best for the State if people believed there is no possible way they could defend themselves against The Government.

the other reason i am armed is i believe i am the only person responsible for ensuring my own personal protection, and the ability to defend oneself is a fundamental right.

Aye. I mean, I know that the day I have to aim a firearm at someone else is probably the day I die, but if I'm unlucky enough to face that day, I'd really like to take a couple of the invaders with me.

I am semi-soverign over my own home (it's a fiefdom, FEE SIMPLE, but as close as I can get.)

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