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Middle East SNAFU summary
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Bush (via AP):
"I'm the decision-maker" about sending more troops to Iraq. "I've picked the plan that I think is most likely to succeed." "I know there is skepticism and pessimism and that some are condemning a plan before it's even had a chance to work." "They have an obligation and a serious responsibility therefore to put up their own plan as to what would work."
Iran (via AP):
The head of the UN nuclear watchdog agency [IAEA] said Friday that Iran expects to start installing thousands of centrifuges in an underground facility next month. He said the installation would pave the way for large-scale uranium enrichment.
Iran in Iraq (via AP):
National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe claims, "Iranians were supplying IED equipment and or training that was being used to harm American soldiers."

Bush continued, "Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops. We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We'll interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq."

The White House said the US does not intend to cross the Iraq-Iran border to attack Iranians.

Five Iranians were detained by U.S.-led forces earlier this month after a raid on an Iranian government liaison office in northern Iraq.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, contended the Iranians were working in a liaison office that had government approval and that the office was in the process of being approved as a consulate. Iran Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the U.S. raid constituted an intervention in Iranian-Iraqi affairs.

The US contends its forces entered an Iranian building in Kurdish-controlled Irbil because information linked it to Revolutionary Guards and other Iranian elements engaging in violent activities in Iraq.
Iran (via Reuters):
IAEA head says "[Military action] would be absolutely counterproductive, and it would be catastrophic."

Pakistan's Prime Minister, Shaukat Aziz, also said, "If there is military action, it will have catastrophic results, not only in the region, but the whole world."

The Bush administration has said it wants a diplomatic solution and that it is not preparing to attack either Iran or Syria.

Israel has refused to rule out preemptive military action against Iran.
Sources:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iran
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070125/wl_nm/davos_iran_dc


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He wont step a foot inside Iran. Dubya thinks he can, but he hasnt been living in the "consequences based" real-world for quite some time.


We will see Cheney's resignation and Bush's resignation and/or impeachment before Iran becomes an issue.


Now this is all publicly speaking, in reality, technically, there are probably special forces already conducting recon inside Iran. No actual combat since Ahmadinejad would jump all over it and send a million of his poorly-armed countrymen to their death while enlisting the support of russia and china to fend off "the american imperialists"

But it doesnt matter what we're doing covertly as long it doesnt involve combat.


In short Im not worried, Dubya really isnt driving anymore(even if he thinks he is).

I guess I'm just disheartened by all the "we're still sending 20K troops to Iraq no matter what congress does or doesn't do" rhetoric. :-\ It's like - gee, when the American voters "sent a message" back in November, it must've gone to the wrong email address or something. Because clearly it's not being received.

There are a lot of options on the table to lessen the impact of him sending 20,000 additional troops. If he prooves completely unrepentant (I'll use that word instead cooperative , because lets face it, the say-so in this matter is decidedly one-sided even if he doesn't realize it) There will likely be consquences he does not like.

That GOP roadblock hes got in the senate and house that keeps veto overrides in check will vanish should he push his luck (some folks DO have futures in our government and would like to keep them).

In the end we'll be sending 20,000 more troops most likely, but we'll be withdrawing a lot more within 3-6 months (count on that), or else Mr. Decider likely wont have time to do any more "deciding" since he'll be sitting in front congress seven days a week explaining why it was ok to break law #421 out of 1-600.

I tend to think Bush in front of a hostile congressional panel with no handlers is going to do and say some very incriminating things. I fully expect a scene like Jack Nicholson had in "A Few Good Men" where he finally admits what he has done, and then gets up to leave like 'so what' , is grabbed by the arms, and then begins yelling "LET ME GO! IM DONE HERE ! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE"

he'll never understand he broke the law until hes doing 20 years behind bars.


Which law(s) specifically? The context here implies that he's breaking the law by waging war or some of his actions therein?

He's commander in chief. Our ancestors, and our peers, grant him authority, and ability to gain further authority.

Not enough people are willing to vote for someone who will restructure or repair much of the government because either they don't know, don't care, or are too afraid of the consequences.


I wasn't trying to imply impeachment based on breaking the laws of War (although there well may be some violations).I was saying that there are enough "various" laws he's broken (poke around to get a good mix of the opinions on which ones...FISA being a big one) , that Congress will likely have no problem effectively neutering his ability to make decisions by keeping him in hearings day and night until 2008.I think the days of voter apathy are coming to a close honestly. People have seen what not voting, or voting an idiot like Bush can do to the country. For a while I think people are going to be a bit more motivated.I could write for pages on this subject, but I wont. Suffice to say Im not worried about Dubya anymore, he's not driving we just gave him a toy steering wheel and let him think so.

Wait until he tries ramming this escalation through without consulting his GOP buddies. We are all in for interesting (if not spectacular) times.








Ah, I see. yes, beyond overreaching his official executive authority in exec orders, I'm sure there's enough to keep him occupied. It seems though that he's not at that point, even with the dems, that house or senate are willing to even begin investigations.

I think the 21,500 troops will go, no major issue. I think the engagement of Iran on Iraq soil may be a bit of a touchy issue though.

1.They've already started investigating. Just watch CSPAN.
2.They plan to impeach bush, but they're going to let him hang himself. They aren't going to be all media hounds about going after him, they're going to do the simple process of finding out "everything" and during the course of that, the truth will come out.

It will be "shocking" and likely public opinion will swing towards impeachment (probably within the year).

Then we will see fireworks. In fact it's a good bet they even have a plan for putting Pelosi in as president. They will likely take down Cheney first (although he will likely resign before being impeached) , then they'll grill Bush like top sirloin because everyone knows hes too hardheaded to quit.


If they are smart, and want to stick it to bush, they will impeach, and simultaneously hand him over to the Hague. If they convict him there, he cant get pardoned by a future republican goon.

I can only imagine the anger that would flow from that man, being locked up in a european prison.I think he would explode.





Well, you can't be pardoned from impeachment anyway. but yah.

yet?

I've been scared since about 2 years into Bush Jr's tenure.

~____:~

::sigh::

we'll all go boom.

I just hope it's quick and painless. I don't want to rot from bio, chemo, or radiological decay.

yes

like burning dropping flesh and years of disfiguring growth, sickness and pain - like in japan after nuclear bombings

But we done lernt ARR lessunz.

Rilly.

suhWARE!

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... I miss Yellowstone ...

/me has never been. I should probably go before the magma chamber ruptures and that pretty lake vaporizes. :)

It's the one place that I cannot wait to get back to.
I want to show it to Brad and Zoe so very badly.

Mebbe. Better than being struck by lightning, assuming the IR flash actually instaroasted me vs just getting spattered with burning rock and suffocated with incinerating, ash and sulphur filled air.

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